Former Vice President Joe Biden reveals about former President Barack Obama’s encounter with racism while in office. Biden, lately, told Fresh Air’s Terry Gross, “The fact is: There is racism; it does exist.”

Biden continued saying that Obama “was the brunt of it many times, but because of his caliber, because of his integrity, because of his humanity, he was able to rise above what I would have found difficult to dismiss and go on and get a lot of business done.”

During Obama’s last month in office, he also acknowledged the role that race played during his administration. He told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria, “I think there is a reason why attitudes about my presidency among whites in Northern states are very different from whites in Southern states.”

Obama had largely avoided talking about race during his time as president, as per The Atlantic. However, that distance was bridged following the shooting death of Trayvon Martin when Obama said, “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.”

He also addressed the issue during his speech mourning the victims of the 2015 church shooting in Charleston; Obama said, in part, “The fact that this took place in a black church obviously also raises questions about a dark part of our history…hatred across races and faiths pose a particular threat to our democracy and our ideals.”